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| Posted 07/19/07 at 12:22 PM | Reply with quote #61 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by mulanQuote: Originally Posted by OTHER
The last two pictures are of an Italian woman and a Hebrew woman (Although I think Otorongo is just trying to be funny here). Italians and Hebrews are historically hated by the KKK as much as blacks and mulattos and mulattos are historically mistaken for Italians and Hebrews. Perhaps the proximity to Africa and a common ancestry come into play???
Yes, Italy was once invaded by the Moors, a Berber based ethnic group and Empire that eventually contributed to miscegenation between ethnic groups in Asia, Eurasia, Europe, North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa. IMO - It's a high probability that some those doing the pillaging/raping had traces of sub-Saharan ancestry. That and her 'features' is the reason I picked Loren. But that blonde haired women Otorongo posted...again, you just never know. lol
It's true, you really never can really know:
Anna van Ravenstein and her mother, Pat Cleveland.
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Quote: Originally Posted by RebeccaQuote: Originally Posted by mulanSophia Loren have u guys ever heard of plastic surgery? some of the claims u guys make are utterly ridiculous. wow.
Plastic surgury of what? Sophia Loren looks like a typical Italian.
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| Posted 07/19/07 at 05:16 PM | Reply with quote #63 |
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Paula Abdul
I had her on my list of people of mulatto ancestry, but after reading several articles I'm not too sure. I know her dad is a Sapphardi Syrian Jew and her mom is a Canadian Jew. Her dad's family may have originated from Lebanon, and I've found nothing about her mom's side. I also learned that ethnic Jews are divided into several sub-categories, can have a number of additional racial/ethnic lineages and can have a variety of ancient tribal Jewish origins.
Victoria Beckham
Saaphyri Windsor
VH1 realty tv star stated in a recent interview that she was named by her grandmother who was an Ethiopian Jew, so I wonder if she was an ethnic Jew.
http://members.tripod.com/~Y2Kthemovie/index-33.html
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| Posted 07/19/07 at 05:32 PM | Reply with quote #64 |
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Otorongo,
you don't think there's a chance that some Italians have sub-Saharan ancestry as a result of the Moorish Empire?
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| Posted 07/19/07 at 08:13 PM | Reply with quote #65 |
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Looking at all the Mediterranean countries, the people are generally darker complexion than northern Europeans. That is why so many "white" people can look at someone who has European blood lines and see specific ancestry in them, there are features that are country/region specific. For example. A true Irish blood line is tan complexion with really dark hair and brown eyes. The red hair, blue eyes, fair complexion Irish comes from the Viking invasions. Back to the Mediterranean region, the Romans invaded a lot of countries, and I am sure they left their imprint just as the Vikings did in the North. I am also sure (but I have no proof to back it up) that the Romans could have carried bloodlines from different areas, including Northern Africa. Plain and simple, no one in this world has "true blood lines" anymore we are all pretty much mixed ethnicity's, and many are mixed racially too.
As for Paula Abdul, I remember seeing a program on her many years ago that mentioned her ethnicity's. There were about five, all were Caucasian though. She is not Mulatto.
As for those who "look" Mulatto. We don't know what genes we carry; get two recessive genes and one could see two dark skinned parents have a light skinned child, it has happened.
As for "white" people who look mulatto because of physical features, lol; I've been asked if I had black blood line because of my physical features, unfortunately not, I am about as fair skinned "white" as they come.
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| Posted 07/19/07 at 08:35 PM | Reply with quote #66 |
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whitemama, interesting...
Speaking of pale skin. Recently, VH1 realty tv star Bootz's mother was being chastised over her skin complexion which contrasts that of her beautiful brown skin daughter's. Actually, people were calling Bootz's mother albino and where assuming she suffered from vitiligo. Bootz's mother calmly deflected the hurls in a recent interview stating:
"Well, we're all mixed"..."I don't have a white mother or anything like that"..."both my parents are black"..."I apologize...I don't get tan this is just how I came out...fair skinned".
So, I add another person of suspected mulatto ancestry.
VH1 realty tv star Larissa "Bootz" Aurora, and mom.
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| Posted 07/19/07 at 09:16 PM | Reply with quote #67 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by mixedmomIt's true, you really never can really know: Anna van Ravenstein and her mother, Pat Cleveland.
Wow, Pat Cleveland used to be a supermodel in the 50's, 60's and 70's!
From Ebony Fashion Fair's "Decades of Fashion":
Pat Cleveland at 15, was the youngest ever to model for the Ebony Fashion Fair.She went on to become one of Black America’s first supermodels. Source
So, Pat Cleveland is of African ancestry at the least. I've never even heard of her before now. I'm assuming that Anna's father, Paul van Ravenstein is white/Caucasian.
Pat Cleveland was friends with the late Donyale Luna (above), the first prominent international model of African descent. Luna died in 1979; for years she insisted publicly that she was of mixed ancestry. Luna mothered a biracial child by Italian photographer Luigi Cazzaniga. Her daughter, Dream Cazzaniga, was born and raised in Italy and is a dancer, singer and actress.
Dream Cazzaniga on the right (can't find a bigger picture). Read more about Dream here.
The late Josephine Baker hand picked Pat Cleveland to depict her in a bio pic. Note: Josephine Baker's true ancestry is unknown, but she was adopted by a couple who were of African slave and Amerindian descent.
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| Posted 07/21/07 at 09:11 AM | Reply with quote #68 |
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News anchor Alison Stewart
Holly Robinson-Peete
I noticed 3 years ago that her child had strawberry blonde hair
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| Posted 07/23/07 at 11:36 AM | Reply with quote #69 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by mulan
Otorongo,
you don't think there's a chance that some Italians have sub-Saharan ancestry as a result of the Moorish Empire?
More chance of them having North African ancestry from Carthagian wars or Roman presence in North Africa. The Moors had some Sub Saharan presence, But the genetic imprint in the Italian population was not enough to substantially mark their phenotype.
According to a summary study by Pereira et al. 2005 sub-Saharan mtDNA Lhaplogroups were found at rates of 0.62% in a German-Danish sample, 1% in the British, 3.83% in Iberians (Portuguese and Spanish), 2.38% in Albanians, 2.86% in Sardinians and 0.94% in Sicilians.
Sub-Saharan African Y-chromosomes are much less common in Europe. The haplotypes have been detected in Portugal (3%), Spain (0.42%), Germany (2%), Austria (0.78%), France (2.5% in a very small sample), Italy (0.45%), Sardinia (1.6%) and Greece (0.27%). Cruciani et al. 2004, Flores et al. 2004, Brion et al. 2005, Brion et al. 2004, Rosser et al. 2000, Semino et al. 2004, DiGiacomo et al. 2003.Neutral autosomal markers are odd fragments of DNA that do not affect a person's physical traits.Neutral autosomal markers are useful for individual genealogies since they reflect just how much of an individual's genome came from which population group. Two recent studies by Rosenberg et al. 2002 and Wilson et al. 2001 failed to detect any sub-Saharan admixture in Scots, Russians, Basques, Frenchmen or Italians. I'm assuming the third study was mainland Italy vs. Sardinia or Sicily. Even so. 2% at the most extreme Sardinian end, is not enough to make any dent in the physiognomy of the population. Sophia Loren is from Rome.
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| Posted 07/23/07 at 03:11 PM | Reply with quote #70 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by OtorongoQuote: Originally Posted by mulan
Otorongo,
you don't think there's a chance that some Italians have sub-Saharan ancestry as a result of the Moorish Empire?
More chance of them having North African ancestry from Carthagian wars or Roman presence in North Africa. The Moors had some Sub Saharan presence, But the genetic imprint in the Italian population was not enough to substantially mark their phenotype. According to a summary study by Pereira et al. 2005 sub-Saharan mtDNA Lhaplogroups were found at rates of 0.62% in a German-Danish sample, 1% in the British, 3.83% in Iberians (Portuguese and Spanish), 2.38% in Albanians, 2.86% in Sardinians and 0.94% in Sicilians. Sub-Saharan African Y-chromosomes are much less common in Europe. The haplotypes have been detected in Portugal (3%), Spain (0.42%), Germany (2%), Austria (0.78%), France (2.5% in a very small sample), Italy (0.45%), Sardinia (1.6%) and Greece (0.27%). Cruciani et al. 2004, Flores et al. 2004, Brion et al. 2005, Brion et al. 2004, Rosser et al. 2000, Semino et al. 2004, DiGiacomo et al. 2003. Neutral autosomal markers are odd fragments of DNA that do not affect a person's physical traits.Neutral autosomal markers are useful for individual genealogies since they reflect just how much of an individual's genome came from which population group. Two recent studies by Rosenberg et al. 2002 and Wilson et al. 2001 failed to detect any sub-Saharan admixture in Scots, Russians, Basques, Frenchmen or Italians. I'm assuming the third study was mainland Italy vs. Sardinia or Sicily. Even so. 2% at the most extreme Sardinian end, is not enough to make any dent in the physiognomy of the population. Sophia Loren is from Rome.
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African American actor Michael Ealy, was born Michael Brown in Silver Spring, Maryland on August 3, 1973. He was educated at Springbrook High school and the University of Maryland in College Park. Ealy stared his acting career starring in several off-Broadway productions, and then appeared in films such as Fast Company and Kissing Jessica Stein. He is most recognized for his role in the movie Barbershop and its sequel Barbershop 2: Back in Business. Darwyn al-Sayeed is played by Michael Ealy in Showtime’s terrorism-themed series Sleeper Cell. Darwyn is an African American Muslim agent of the FBI whose job is to infiltrate a terrorist sleeper cell.
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| Posted 07/23/07 at 11:31 PM | Reply with quote #72 |
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African American actor Michael Ealy, was born Michael Brown in Silver Spring, Maryland on August 3, 1973. He was educated at Springbrook High school and the University of Maryland in College Park. Ealy stared his acting career starring in several off-Broadway productions, and then appeared in films such as Fast Company and Kissing Jessica Stein. He is most recognized for his role in the movie Barbershop and its sequel Barbershop 2: Back in Business. Darwyn al-Sayeed is played by Michael Ealy in Showtime’s terrorism-themed series Sleeper Cell. Darwyn is an African American Muslim agent of the FBI whose job is to infiltrate a terrorist sleeper cell.
His skin and eye color are similar to my dad's, but my dad's hair was a lighter brown. My dad was "black", but I suppose, technically, he was an MGM. (I've already posted details about that elsewhere. Don't wanna get too far off track.) I reckon that is the same dealy with Michael Ealy.  This guy and the guy who plays Warrick on CSI both remind me of my dad.
Gary Dourdan ("Warrick")
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| Posted 07/24/07 at 10:41 AM | Reply with quote #73 |
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 I always was curious about her and Will as well for that matter, some where down the line I think theres a possibility.
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Dominic West from "The Wire". He's Irish, born in England. Every time I see him on TV or in a movie I'm convinced he's mixed!  I guess this is what the term "Black Irish" refers to - perhaps some Moor mixed in WAY back in the day???
 
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