Dgino
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgeramarjeanpierre
live in your world where you think you arent black. nor look black or anything. you are so infuriating.
I do not think anything. I know that I am not Black, and I know that I do not look Black.
I am Mulatto, and I look Mulatto. Thank you very much.
Quote: why dont you do this shit on topics such as "i hate being mistaken for black" how is that not wrong? but me saying you look black is?
What the bloody hell does this mean?
Quote: you try telling me that people dont think i look white...
I do not know what people think.
However, I am quite confident that you do, hence your need to keep reaffirming that you look White continuously.
Quote: when you have never met me.
What about the pictures that you posted stating that they were your portraits?
Quote: its quite simply i said i look white which is why people think i am white.
So you keep saying...
Quote: i then said i dont mind being called black or white. why?
You have not really answered this question. You just went on a Mulatto rant.
Quote: because most people dont even know what the fuck mulatto is
Actually, they do.
Quote: besides you anti black people
And your proof of this is?
Quote: AND i am part of both races.
And Mulatto is not? What does Mulatto mean?
Quote: You are so pro mulatto that you think you arent black or white..but a whole new race.
Of course Mulatto is a race. What do you think it is, a haircut?
Quote: i dont give a shit what you guys say anymore
This means???
Quote: lol in reality you dont go through anything.
This means???
Quote: black people are more than happy to welcome you guys in.
This means???
Quote: for some reason you set these little vendettas in your head to make it seem like you arent. but whatever.
This means???
Quote: in Asia, Australia practically all of North America and possible Africa and some parts of South America, you are seen as black.
False.
You are talking to an European mate. And we do travel plenty.
Quote: is there something wrong with black?
Have I ever said there was?
Quote: Id love to hear you cry baby attacks now. bahaha.
Cries about what?
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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Posted 12/24/12 at 06:24 AM
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>.<
everything is so easy for you..
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anonymous
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Posted 12/24/12 at 08:28 AM
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George why does it concern you so much how other mulatto's feel? Most mixed race people I have met in real life do not get offended if people see them as black & are comfortable with themselves & identify as both black & mixed race. There are some very pro-mulattto identified people around that take offence to being called anything but mixed race/biracial/mulatto, but that is fine if that is how they want to feel. People identify in different ways. Do you also take offence to mixed heritage latinos who prefer not to be viewed as african american?
Any quadroons I know or have met in real life do not concern themselves with racial identity as much as you do & there are more famous quadroons for you to look up to than you may realise:
Sean Paul, Rebecca Hall, Wentworth Miller, Yoakim Noah, Jessica Szohr, Pete Wentz to name a few. Those that look more mixed like sean paul tend to identify more with the black community whilst others who look white like Rebecca Hall identify more as white. You should look up to mixed race men like Pete Wentz & Slash who take on more of an alternative identity & do not follow the mainstream & concern themselves about whether people see them as black or white.
I see nothing wrong with quadroons identifying as white but it makes more sense if they look white & I don't think you do.
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anonymous
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Posted 12/24/12 at 08:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgeramarjeanpierre
>.<
everything is so easy for you..
The grass is always greener on the other side. Quadroons in particular those that look white have always been more accepted by white people more than brown mulatto's. Do you really think that a white looking quadroon like nicole richie would experience the same amount of racism from white people as a brown mulatto like halle berry? In slavery times quadroons like sally hemmings were more likely to be free slaves than mulatto's, griffe's etc. Quadroons also sometimes turned their back on the black community & tried to pass for white. There were many mulatto's involved in the civil rights movement. Do not make it seem like mulatto's are not proud of their black heritage because they always have been.
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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Posted 12/24/12 at 02:26 PM
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Middy444 isn't she's a hateful young lady. If I don't look white then with do I look like? An alien?
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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Posted 12/24/12 at 03:02 PM
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i guess i feel angry because i was raised around alot of black people, and so were my sisters and we grew up in a gang affiliated place, so everyone calls us black or mulatto, even though biologically we are quadroon. but mulatto sounds better i think than quadroon, plus my dad DOES NOT idenitfy as mixed, he calls himself black. anyway. i re read everything i was saying and i did come off rude. people should be able to choose what they want. i really dont know what else to say because if i say mixed people who look black or mixed people who look white or somthing like that then you all will get mad at me. lots of twisting of the words going on here but w/e.
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anonymous
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Posted 12/24/12 at 05:04 PM
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You shouldn't care about your race or how others view you so much. You say some mulatto's take offence to being called black but you seem to take offence to being told you look mixed & not fully white, why do you care? Some think I look black, indian, latino, italian, mixed race, how other people want to view me doesn't effect me. Have a happy christmas!
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dlm
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Posted 12/24/12 at 07:55 PM
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Well for me I get angry because I am more than just black. Why do you ignore other parts of me that are clearly visible.
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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Posted 12/25/12 at 01:50 AM
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omg...this why i am getting mad. you guys really and truly do not understand what I am saying. Apparently in all of your eyes i dont look white. However, in the town i live in AND ACCORDING TO PEOPLE HERE compared to the other mixed kids; i do look white. I.DO.NOT.THINK.I.AM.WHITE. understand? i dont care if i get called mixed. I said it is annoying when mixed people you have a more black look say they are not black. get it? they shouldn't have a problem being called black. is that so fucking wrong? maybe i get mad because i would like something to be proud of. again that is wrong in your guys eyes right? its WRONG for me to want to have pride and look up to people who are mixed and look like me. ITS WRONG for me to say what society says. ITS WRONG for me to say anything that hinders the "mulatto" race right? i dont think you all will get where im coming from considering the fact our lives are totally different. You all pride yourself on being mulatto because you can all relate. you have something to fall on. you have a community. you have people who look like you and accept you. you guys will never EVER understand ANYTHING. mainly because you refuse to put yourself in others position and live in your world where everything is MULATTO. and secondly anonymous, if mulatto people were so proud of being black then why do they strongly push themselves away from being called black? there are light skined black people who look no different from them. and guess what ?THEY LABEL THEMSELVES BLACK. ugh. this is a pointless conversation. and truthfully you guys are rude and insensitive.
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Dgino
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Posted 12/26/12 at 03:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgeramarjeanpierre
omg...this why i am getting mad. you guys really and truly do not understand what I am saying.
We understand it very well.
You are saying that you look White, but Mulattos look Black.
Quote: Apparently in all of your eyes i dont look white. However, in the town i live in AND ACCORDING TO PEOPLE HERE compared to the other mixed kids; i do look white.
Yes, you do not look White on your own, for that, you must compare yourself with other darker Mulattos.
Why don't you start comparing yourself with other Mulattos (quadroons) on this forum, who are whiter than you?
Quote: maybe i get mad because i would like something to be proud of. again that is wrong in your guys eyes right?
Stating that you look White, is not something to be proud of. You want something to be proud of?
Be proud of your, and your family's achievements and history, be proud of your country achievements, etc.
Pride in the colour of one's skin, is about as valueless as it gets.
Quote: its WRONG for me to want to have pride and look up to people who are mixed and look like me.
There are many Mulattos who look like you, this is not about pride, it is about identity.
And there is nothing wrong with that.
Quote: ITS WRONG for me to say what society says. ITS WRONG for me to say anything that hinders the "mulatto" race right?
It is called free speech. However, it is wrong for you to think that no one will answer back.
Quote: i dont think you all will get where im coming from considering the fact our lives are totally different.
All of our lives are different.
Quote: You all pride yourself on being mulatto because you can all relate. you have something to fall on. you have a community. you have people who look like you and accept you.
This site involves people from various races, countries, backgrounds, and especially points of view.
Quote: mainly because you refuse to put yourself in others position and live in your world where everything is MULATTO
Wrong. On this very site you have Mulattos that identify as White, as Black, as Mulatto, as something else other than Mulatto such as biracial, mixed, other, etc.
Take yourself for example, a Mulatto who does not stop speaking on how White he looks.
As you can see, is not Mulatto everything.
This is not about putting ourselves in your shoes. This is about you stating that you look White and expecting a position from others that I frequently observe in minorities from colonized countries, a position of servitude.
Because it seems, that you believe to be speaking from a higher moral platform assigned to you by your skin colour.
Quote: if mulatto people were so proud of being black then why do they strongly push themselves away from being called black?
How many Mulattos call themselves Black, and strongly identify themselves with Black causes, issues, history, identity, ect? How many more Mulattos do you want?
Quote: there are light skined black people who look no different from them. and guess what ?THEY LABEL THEMSELVES BLACK. ugh.
Like I have asked you before, show me an light skinned Black "unmixed" person who looks Mulatto.
Quote: truthfully you guys are rude and insensitive.
HAHAHA...
We are rude and insensitive?
Look at what you have stated on page after page, comment after comment, about the people in this forum and Mulattos in general.
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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Posted 12/27/12 at 03:20 AM
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you want to see a light skinned black? ok.
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000152050/polls_tyra_banks_720229_3923_271103_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg
another one? ok.
https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2784446389/da5b84f3aedfc3555b86c01ea49b4d93.jpeg
BOTH say they have black parents. and that they are black.
stop twisting my words when you know what i mean. if every mulatto person looked like me would you still be like "im mulatto yada yada" you really wouldnt question why you dont look like them? you've never questioned yourself? I dont think im being rude. i think its rude that alot of people on here separate themselves from blacks i.e "i hate being mistaken for black" and im sure there are alot of other fourms on here like that. you act like im saying IM WHITE AND PROUD when im not. saying i look white makes me think im white? what? k cool i dont look white, i look mixed and im saying that honestly that i think i look mixed. i just think when people 1st seem they would probably think im white, i guess i didnt clarify. theres a ton of people on tumblr twitter and youtube saying #teamlightskin thats not wrong? here in the u.s you dont really see alot of good things with whites and blacks i.e trayvon martin case? that just started a riot here against whites and blacks. im still not understanding how you dont think its wrong for people to write things like "i hate being mistaken for black" yes or no do you think thats wrong?
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Dgino
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Posted 12/27/12 at 06:16 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgeramarjeanpierre
you want to see a light skinned black? ok.
BOTH say they have black parents. and that they are black.
Like I have said, you cannot show me an unmixed person that looks Mulatto.
Quote: if every mulatto person looked like me would you still be like "im mulatto yada yada" you really wouldnt question why you dont look like them? you've never questioned yourself?
What does this mean?
There are Mulattos who have White, and Black parents (who get called FGM around here), and there are Mulattos who are the offspring of such people (referred as SGM).
However, there is an expanded definition of the race which includes the offspring of Mulattos (griffes and quadroons), and in the Americas may contain an Amerindian component.
Take Halle Berry's daughter, doesn't she resemble more the average 50-50 Mulatto than a quadroon?
If I understand your question correctly, would you say that she is not a quadroon? Is there a way a quadroon looks like?
My daughter has curly hair, but she has a very pale skin, very light blue eyes, and a hair so blonde that it looks almost white. Does she resemble the average 50-50 Mulatto? Does she stop being Mulatto because of it?
Should my daughter (or her brother), or Halle Berry's daughter question their looks, when they already know their heritage, or where they come from?
Quote: I dont think im being rude.
It is considered impolite to dismiss someone's heritage, their history, etc, to impose your points of view.
Let me show you something:
Quote: "I kinda feel offended when people who half white half black act as if they arent accepted by black people even though they look black. Its people who look more like me who aren't excepted by blacks and sometimes whites but rarely. Yet we have to be just black?"
"it doesn't make sense since we are mostly white you know? Im not trying to be rude but mulattoes really annoy me. They're mostly black and are seen as such and need to stop acting as if they aren't accepted by blacks when they are BLACK. If they went anywhere around the world they would be seen as black and I would be seen as white. Its just how the world is. People (specifically Americans) need education on genealogy and genetics"
This was your first post on this site.
Talk about genealogy and genetics and explain to us how Mulattos are Black.
Explain to us, on how we are both 1/2 White, but according to you I am Black, while you on the other hand question how you "have to be just Black?"'. Don't you see any hypocrisy with that?
Quote: i think its rude that alot of people on here separate themselves from blacks i.e "i hate being mistaken for black" and im sure there are alot of other fourms on here like that.
I have already asked you to point out, who is this lot of people that said "I hate being mistaken for Black". Yet, you have provided no names, despite that, you continue to state the same accusation that you cannot prove.
Quote: you act like im saying IM WHITE AND PROUD when im not. saying i look white makes me think im white? what?
You are stating that you look White, because you know that you do not.
You need to convince yourself and others that you look White, because you seem to believe that you have something to gain.
Quote: k cool i dont look white,
You do not.
Quote: i look mixed and im saying that honestly that i think i look mixed.
There is no need for you to say what you look like. Be proud of who you are.
Quote: i just think when people 1st seem they would probably think im white, i guess i didnt clarify.
You hadn't clarified it.
Quote: theres a ton of people on tumblr twitter and youtube saying #teamlightskin thats not wrong?
People say and do stupid things, and that is one of those things.
Quote: here in the u.s you dont really see alot of good things with whites and blacks i.e trayvon martin case? that just started a riot here against whites and blacks.
Racial division is still present in the US.
However, the Trayvon Martin case was about an armed civilian killing an unarmed teenager. I did not get mad because Trayvon was of a specific race, I got mad because he was unarmed, and posed no danger whatsoever at the time of his death.
I would be mad regardless of Trayvon race.
Quote: im still not understanding how you dont think its wrong for people to write things like "i hate being mistaken for black" yes or no do you think thats wrong?
It is not that I think is not wrong, but that you have not provided the names of the persons who have said it, the name of the debate topic, the number of such comment, etc. You have provided no information on the subject to substantiate your accusation.
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I don't see the problem for him to say that he looks white because often times people see him as such. I don't understand why him saying that must mean that any mulatto who doesn't look like him must look black.
At what point does a black person stop being mixed? Also at what point does a multi generation mulatto stop being mulatto? And let's not forget that "looking black" is in the eyes of the beholder. For people who take pride in their ability to decipher someone genes it can feel like an assault and even insult if someone does not "eye-ball" them correctly but for most regular folks, life goes on as usual. So to ME, in my untrained eyes Obama and his children do look black without going in the nitty gritty and genealogy.
And let's keep in mind just like the other "races" there is more than ONE black look.
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georgeramarjeanpierre
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"You are stating that you look White, because you know that you do not.
You need to convince yourself and others that you look White, because you seem to believe that you have something to gain"
NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING AT ALL DUDE^
basically what i am getting at is that i dont think mulattos should sepreate themselves from blacks. Ive said it again and again and again there is a topic on here that says "I HATE BEING MISTAKEN FOR BLACK" i dont know the names of all the people talking on there because i dont feel like going through every single page and writing there names down lol you can look that up yourself. You may not think the trayvon martin case was about race but in the eyes of alot of afro americans it was. and about that whole unmixed black person thing, im really not sure what you mean. You asked to post a picture of two unmixed black people who look mulatto and i did. anyway. sorry for saying all that mean stuff. i get angry really fast when i feel misunderstood
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Dgino
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Posted 12/28/12 at 04:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgeramarjeanpierre
basically what i am getting at is that i dont think mulattos should sepreate themselves from blacks.
So this is what it is all about.
Separate in what manner?
There are Mulattos who state that they are Black, and do not acknowledge anything other than that (same for identifying as Whites). However, the term Mulatto is an recognition of a mixed heritage and an acknowledgment that, while we come from different races, we are our own race.
Do you see any problem with this statement?
"basically, what I am getting at, is that I don't think Mulattos should separate from Whites".
Quote: Ive said it again and again and again there is a topic on here that says "I HATE BEING MISTAKEN FOR BLACK" i dont know the names of all the people talking on there because i dont feel like going through every single page and writing there names down lol you can look that up yourself.
Have you read the contents, or what the author meant?
By that topic, the author tried to get the attention of the readers, by augmenting the number of participators to the debate. I have to say that, the author claimed exactly what you said about "Mulattos separating from Blacks".
Quote: and about that whole unmixed black person thing, im really not sure what you mean. You asked to post a picture of two unmixed black people who look mulatto and i did.
You know very well what I meant. You showed mixed people who say they are Black, hence why I stated unmixed.
Quote: anyway. sorry for saying all that mean stuff. i get angry really fast when i feel misunderstood
Ok, but the problem is that, it was your first post. You had not, had the chance to feel misunderstood at that point.
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